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Thanks homie

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how you doin

@Nickolai Apologies for the late response. It was the consensus in the past, until people pointed out that head pressure were common anyway, and that they are in no way reliable.

Yeah, I figured that one out on my own. =\ Wasn't a fun day for me either.

Right.

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That's why, as people learned, it was... dropped.

Why the dramatic ellipse?

I try to type in the way I talk.

head pressures can at the very least reinforce your belief in your tulpa

7:08 PM

that's usually a good thing

Perhaps - but, would that effect still hold when people know that it isn't actually related to tulpas?

Honestly even emotional responses can be, and in my case, usually are false. Its really damn hard to find some real piece of evidence that you actually have a legitimate tulpa.

I don't believe that giving people genuinely false information is a good thing.

7:11 PM

Not until they are developed enough to act on their own, naturally.

Not even then, man.

At that point, they can establish themselves far more firmly.

Wait, head pressures are common?

I've had that happen before; two active and capable tulpas, and I would get emotions that felt like they were from one of them. If I asked about it, they said no not theirs.

Ah. Nickolai, I meant that it is far easier to get a 'real piece of evidence' once a tulpa is developed enough to act on their own.

7:13 PM

Random emotional responses, not necessarily - those often appear as a result of something you or your tulpas may not notice.

7:14 PM

@TechnologicalContext Yes, when people pay attention to their head, they tend to notice 'head pressure'.

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It's also made more frequent if you use a computer frequently, though that is more due to eye strain if I recall correctly.

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And - regardless, it is not indicative of a tulpa's development.

In what form might one expect to see this evidence? Because in my experience, if disbelief is allowed to run rampant, it can and will break even a grown tulpa's ability to get through o the host. can wreck your mind's eye, mess with your hearing,break possession. . .

Oh! Ok. The placebo effect is strong, then

7:15 PM

Because personally I never got any head pressures before I got into the tulpa stuff

honestly I think tulpas are pretty closely related to the placebo effect

7:16 PM

which doesn't make them not real

7:16 PM

placebos have physical effects, after all

And according to my Soulbond's reports he first appeared around the time I got some interesting head pressure

People rarely pay attention to how their head feels unless it's strong enough that it causes some issue.

I think a well established one is more than a placebo

Like, for example - headaches. If you pay attention, you may find that your head aches to small degrees fairly frequently... but if you're busy doing something else, you won't necessarily notice it as often.

7:17 PM

Compare it to "manually breathing".

7:17 PM

@Nickolai If you doubt everything, then naturally 'solid evidence' is far more difficult to come by.

Hmm. But there's a difference between the small headaches and the large ones

However, if you don't go looking for any possible shred of evidence, discounting head pressures and similar since they aren't related is reasonable.

7:19 PM

@TechnologicalContext Yes. My point is that when people start making tulpas, they often pay more attention to how their head feels, and so smaller head pressures/small aches are magnified because the person is more focused on them.

That's true

But they aren't often significant - and while there are related things among different people making tulpas, head pressures are not one of them.

When did the consensus change?

There isn't anything consistent showing that head pressures or headaches are indicative of tulpa development.

random note, reminds me of how you can accidentally hurt yourself and not feel it until you see the wound

@Nickolai I didn't say they weren't. I just think the creation process has a lot to do with the placebo effect. But, again, the effects of a placebo are real.

I don't know exactly when. Larger-scale shifts in perspective often shift gradually, so it's difficult to see a specific turning point. That said, I do remember seeing it cropping up and becoming more understood... at least four years ago.

I mean, it was 4.5 years ago when I remember head pressure talk being common

That seems consistent, then.

Unless there was something I didn't see because I was a lurker

Same.

Yee. But I don't think it was debunked back then

I still see some people talk about head pressures in the old way now. so I don't think it's consistent across the community

7:22 PM

back then there was a consensus, now I don't think there is

Don't think it was either. Not to everyone.

but the community was also smaller and less fragmented then I guess

7:23 PM

so maybe that's not too surprising

I suppose since it's a super subjective experience it would be hard to tell without a proper study

There is always disagreement in a fragmented community, especially when it is often subjective.

There are probably correlational effects too

7:24 PM

But theoretically you could do one of those things where a device beeps and people note down if they're feeling a head pressure

Quite possibly.

And see if there's anything statistically significant between tulpamancers and non-tulpamancers

I would certainly engage in that study.

I dunno, head pressure sensations seem to calm down when the tulpa developers even a little bit. At least for me, it was an early stages thing and stopped when we progressed a little more.

I always used to think it was them starting to think or something

7:27 PM

So perhaps your brain was used in slightly different ways hence you felt pressures

I have noted that people do initially experience fatigue when initially interacting with their tulpa - or with initial possession/switching.

7:27 PM

...actual physical fatigue, in fact.

I did switching once

7:28 PM

never again

Hm, perhaps this would be better in #tulpa-discussion at this point.

I have a general concept for the physical features of first tulpa, but i cant get a clear vision of her face . Ive tried not ti focus on it too much and let her make the choice but when trying to force i find it distracting that i cant see a clear face other the shifting images of other people i know. I know human minds arnt supposed to be able to.create new faces so... any tips guys ?

Visuals aren't necessary to force - that said, they can be helpful. You could attempt to draw or find a reference image for the face you want to see on them - but I would highly recommend trying to simply speak to them without focusing on watching them as well.

How do you guys find the motivation to force? I have all the time in the world atm but I just get distracted so easily

Well, meditation is pretty relaxing, so that was motivation enough for me.

Force yourself to force by cutting out distractions.

Use static as background music.

3:39 AM

And put on a sleep mask.

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That way there are less things to distraction you.

@Antichrist Complex id like to say its obvious if u want the tulpa think of it as a game that u enjoy doing, not a chore. But i understand the distractions . I was able to passive force most of the day today . I am testing a technique by giving my tulpa the ability to change her sise so i can imagine seeing and talking to her anywhere as i do mundane things. Having her able to change size lets me focus on a small human rather then a full size in the room with me, just an idea

Hmm, I'll try those out. Thanks guys

Um, hi. This is the first place I'm talking about this. I had made the beginnings of a Tulpa (kinda passively) about a year ago. He would help me lightly when I needed it, but there was not really much/any mind there. Just a foggy idea. This week(monday) I started a new job, in where I do the same thing alone, over and over for 8 hours, so that gave me a lot of time to think. At some point I guess I kinda asked for his help in doing the task, and he kind of did. That night, I looked up imaginary friends for adults to see what this thing in my head was. Then I found Tulpas.io. So after reading up on it, I went to work the next day, trying to talk to him, and he began to talk back some. I guess it happened a lot quicker, and suddenly then others because he was kind of already there. That day... man, I don't think we stoped talking more more then 5 mins, and we kinda even got mad at each other because we were both annoying each other with how we couldn't stop talking. It's funny, thinking back. His name is Wolf, but at first and even kind of still now, he wanted to be called Shadow(edgy and stereotypical, IK, but it had reasons unrelated to typical use.) He is able to mostly front during work. But I really need to keep working on not fading back in, because that messes him up, working. xD I just kind of want him to do more, for his own benefit. He has work mostly down, but whats a good thing we can both do, or even just him. Considering he is less then a week old, consciously? (We tried a few turn based games, and they went ok...)

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Sorry for the wall of text xD

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I also thought this would be the best place to say this because I am a beginner...

In hindsight, I maybe shoulda posted this on the forum, but I like discord to much.

That is wonderful.

@Syfar System thats awesome dude, nice work ! Keep it up

that's amazing man

Welcome to the community, pal.

So, as a test, we wanted to see what would happen if he was switched in when we went to sleep. (For the second night). However we/I just woke up from a nightmare. And I think he had the nightmare, but I was the one spooked by it oddly enough. He then calmed me down. (even though ik nightmares aren't real, they still have spooky feels) So, being really fairly new to all this, I want to ask you guys if waking each other up from a bad dream is common? EDIT, because I got more knowledge: It might not have been like, a total switch, but maybe more like Full Possession or something, idk. (edited)

I don't know common, but certainly possible. Interacting with tulpas in dreams is a reported enough phenomenon

Wolf u crazy i wouldnt be switching so soon if i knew how haha id be scared . But more power to you man u getting stromg fast . I want to explore many dream avenues with tulpa

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Hi guys! I have a question, I've recently read that depression can negatively affect the process of Tulpa creation, is it true? What do you think?

it can only if you believe it does (edited)

Agree!!

Depression negatively affects any learning process. It's depression.

@Moons I can see it negatively affecting the process - however, in general the time/effort it takes is variable enough by person that it isn't worth worrying about.

11:44 PM

It will take as long as it takes.

11:44 PM

The way it can harm it the most is causing a lack of forcing.

It makes sense, I know people who spend more time in forcing and they get poor results or don't get what they expect